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Clinton Camp Says It Will Use The Nuclear Option

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May 4, 2008 03:03 PM


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About Thomas B. Edsall

Thomas B. Edsall is the political editor of the Huffington Post. He is also Joseph Pulitzer II and Edith Pulitzer Moore Professor at the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism. From 1981 to 2006, he was a political reporter at the Washington Post. He is the author of Chain Reaction and Building Red America. Tom can be reached at edsall@huffingtonpost.com.


UPDATE | May 5, 11am ET : Hillary Clinton's campaign today acknowledged plans to try to win seating of the disputed Michigan and Florida delegations to the Democratic Nation Convention at a meeting of the party's Rules and Bylaws Committee on May 31.

In a statement issued in response to a story on The Huffington Post ("Clinton Camp Considering Nuclear Option," see below), the campaign declared:

"There is no secret plan.... The Clinton campaign has been vocal in stating that the votes of 2.5 million people must be respected. Hardly a day goes by when a Clinton official doesn't publicly declare that the votes of Michigan and Florida count and that the delegations from those states should be seated."

The campaign's public assertions stand in contrast to its response to inquiries prior to publication of the story. At that point, Clinton aides insisted on keeping all comments either off the record or on deep background, or did not respond to questions at all. The campaign statement appeared to be designed to try to reduce the significance of the story.

In a more typical reaction to the story, political analyst Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia said: "Wow. The nuclear option will yield nuclear winter for the Democratic Party."

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Hillary Clinton's campaign has a secret weapon to build its delegate count, but her top strategists say privately that any attempt to deploy it would require a sharp (and by no means inevitable) shift in the political climate within Democratic circles by the end of this month.

With at least 50 percent of the Democratic Party's 30-member Rules and Bylaws Committee committed to Clinton, her backers could -- when the committee meets at the end of this month -- try to ram through a decision to seat the disputed 210-member Florida and 156-member Michigan delegations. Such a decision would give Clinton an estimated 55 or more delegates than Obama, according to Clinton campaign operatives. The Obama campaign has declined to give an estimate.

Using the Rules and Bylaws Committee to force the seating of two pro-Hillary delegations would provoke a massive outcry from Obama forces. Such a strategy would, additionally, face at least two other major hurdles, and could only be attempted, according to sources in the Clinton camp, under specific circumstances:

First, this coming Tuesday, Clinton would have to win Indiana and lose North Carolina by a very small margin - or better yet, win the Tar Heel state. She would also have to demonstrate continued strength in the contests before May 31.

Second, and equally important, her argument that she is a better general election candidate than Obama -- that he has major weaknesses which have only been recently revealed -- would have to rapidly gain traction, not only within the media, where she has experienced some success, but within the broad activist ranks of the Democratic Party.

Under that optimistic scenario, some Clinton operatives believe she could overcome several massive stumbling blocks:

-- Clinton loyalists on the Rules Committee would have to be persuaded to put their political futures on the line by defying major party constituencies, especially black leaders backing Barack Obama. Committee members are unlikely to take such a step unless they are convinced that Clinton has a strong chance of winning the nomination.

Former DNC and South Carolina Democratic Party chair Donald Fowler -- a Hillary loyalist -- would, for example, face an outpouring of anger from South Carolina Democrats if he were to go along with such a strategy.

-- A controversial decision to seat the two delegations, as currently constituted, would be appealed by the Obama campaign to the Democratic National Convention's Credentials Committee.

The full make-up of the Credentials Committee will not be determined until all the primaries are completed, but the pattern of Clinton and Obama victories so far clearly suggests that Obama delegates on that committee will outnumber Clinton delegates. Obama will not, however, have a majority, according to most estimates, and the balance of power will be held by delegates appointed by DNC chair Howard Dean.

For the scenario to work, then, Dean would have to be convinced of Clinton's superior viability in the general election, and that she has a strong chance of defeating McCain next November.

One of the arguments the Clinton campaign is privately making to autonomous "super" or "automatic" delegates, as well as to delegates technically "pledged" to Obama as a result of primary and caucus results, is that the campaign shifted dramatically in roughly mid-February. At that point, Clinton supporters contend, the economy replaced Iraq as the dominant issue among primary voters, and that transition led to Clinton's successes in Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania.

Clinton people also make the case that the past six weeks have seen examples of Obama's political vulnerabilities: his wife's "proud to be an American" remarks, the emergence of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright controversy, wider coverage of Obama's ties to 1960s radicals Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, "bittergate," the flag pin imbroglio, and "hand on the heart" accusations -- all impugning Obama's patriotism.

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The controversy over Michigan and Florida grows out of the decision of both states to flout national party rules prohibiting all but a few states -- Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina -- from holding primaries or caucuses before February 5, 2008. Michigan held its primary on January 15 and Florida on January 29.

On December 1, 2007, well before the contests were held, the Rules and Bylaws Committee voted to refuse to seat either state's delegation at the August 2008 convention in Denver.

When the contests were actually held, none of the candidates actively campaigned in either state. In Michigan, Obama had his name taken off the ballot. Clinton "won" both contests.

The Obama campaign contends that the primaries in the two states were not legitimate, especially in Michigan where voters could not cast a ballot for Obama. Clinton "won" the Michigan contest with 55 percent, while 40 percent voted "uncommitted" and the remainder went to minor candidates.

Obama manager David Plouffe has argued that the only way to seat the Michigan delegation would be to divide the delegates evenly between Clinton and Obama: "A 50-50 split would be fair."

Many Democrats, including DNC chair Howard Dean, believe it is critically important to reach some kind of compromise to seat the Michigan and Florida delegations in order not to alienate voters in the two battleground states, each of which could be pivotal in the November general election.

In the case of Florida, there are a number of proposals under consideration. One would be to seat the delegation as is, but give each delegate only one half a vote. Another would be to cut the number of Florida delegates in half.

Spokesmen for the Obama campaign declined to discuss their strategies for dealing with the May 31 Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting, or to speculate on what they think the Clinton forces with try to do.

 
 

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- Hedcutter See Profile I'm a Fan of Hedcutter permalink

After this lost "run for the roses" Hillary's political career is "toast". Thank you Jesus!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 05/08/2008
- Harrier See Profile I'm a Fan of Harrier permalink

Unfortunately she has not proven she is a fighter, but rather a poor communicator who cares only about herself. She is allowed to keep going and welcomed to do so, even if by some miracle she won, I would never vote for her because of her position on war. You cannot be for and against something at the same time. Ca it what you want, if you are forced to vote for this war, I would rather vote for a person who fully engaged with the war vs someone who keeps changing their minds based on polling

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 05/08/2008
- GingerB See Profile I'm a Fan of GingerB permalink

Hillary is all for those who voted for her in Florida and Michigan. How does she feel about those voters who stayed home because they know she and the other candidates pledged to invalidate FL and MI for going against the rules? Their votes didn't count so they didn't cast them. Is she outraged that they have no chance to select the nominee? Who does she want the uncommitted votes to go to? Are they to be discounted, too?

She wants to ignore the pledged delegates, the popular vote, and lots of states she doesn't think matter in order to have the superdelegates install her as the nominee.

Does this seem at odds to anyone but me?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 05/07/2008
- alm123 See Profile I'm a Fan of alm123 permalink

It is obvious this is election has nothing to do with a candidates character, experience, or knowledge. With the statistics from primaries, it"s become all about race and getting their boy in as the nominee. Over 90% of the Afro-American are voting for Obama regardless his of lack of experience needed to win the general election. His association with Rev, Wright and Ayer"s reflects his poor judgment and character. I will not vote for anyone who has the least bit of anti-American sentiments.
I feel 4 years of McCain will be far better than 4 years of Obama. This election resembles real life experience in today"s job market. It"s not what you know, but who you know, and Barrack Obama has his race to thank if he becomes the nominee. Unfortunately, Obama will not win in the general election. Clinton supporters will not vote for someone who is not capable of performing the most important job in the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 05/07/2008
- JAMShocks See Profile I'm a Fan of JAMShocks permalink

Ignorance is a dangerous thing.

Just keep in mind that the Clinton's and they're tactics drove away their Black support.

Hillary has no experience politically that anyone can tout, but let's run it down:

1)She has been a "CARPET BAGGER" Senator for 7 years, they only came to New York because Charlie Rangel showed her a route to run for the White House, run for a soon-to-be vacant seat.

2)Prior to that she was the 1st Lady for 8 years and was involved in several scandals and charged in crimes during that time, hell she wasn't even a good wife, by evidence of her husband's behavior.

3)And, before that she was the 1st Lady of Arkansas for 12 years and accomplished nothing and wasn't a good wife, then either as evidenced by Bill's several public affairs.

So where is her vaunted experience? And, if she was so experienced why couldn't she knock out a freshman senator with a muslim-sounding name and connected to some arguably negative people?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 05/07/2008
- DoninJoisey See Profile I'm a Fan of DoninJoisey permalink

But lying is okay with you. Voting for a war of aggression isn't un-American?
The facts are that early on, Blacks were about 1/3 Clinton, 1/3 for Edwards, Biden, Kucinich, etc., and 1/3 Obama.
Then, Bill spoke up in S.C. about "Jesse Jackson" and other "clues" (Psssttt- he's black, don't vote for him) - the Clintons drove the blacks away...

A former president roving the world peddling his influence for money isn't un-American?

What about her "Fellowship" - god is good business - that's okay?
WHAT, exactly, is her highly-touted experience? What has she done? Voted for Iraq and still won't recant her vote - Edwards and Kerry admitted they were wrong to have supported the war, but HRC has the Bush quality of admitting no responsibility, no wrong.

Her campaign is a model of mis-management and Rovian tactics - funded and run by lobbyists.

Sorry, you have a very skewed perception of reality - something you share with Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 05/07/2008
- OhReallySheSaid See Profile I'm a Fan of OhReallySheSaid permalink

Barry Obama has already given us permission to vote for McCain by saying McCain is better than Bush. Why then, should I vote for Barry?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 05/07/2008
- alm123 See Profile I'm a Fan of alm123 permalink

Please refer to Barry as B Hussein Obama
Thank You

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 05/07/2008
- MikeMidCity See Profile I'm a Fan of MikeMidCity permalink

Maybe not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 05/07/2008
- joe6671 See Profile I'm a Fan of joe6671 permalink

A tragedy in the making. I'm sure that Obama will lose to McCain. The arithmetic is quite simple. Blacks r 13% of the USA population. If at least 85% of Blacks voted for Obama his 1804 current delegate count was accorded to him by 88.95% of the non-Black electorate. In other words the non-Blacks gave Obama 1604 delegates. Doing a similar computation for Clinton her non-Black supporters gave her 1638 delegates (85% of 13=11.o5%. 15% of13 =2.95%) Hillary, in short ,had a larger percentage of non-Blacks vote for her that Obama. . This predicds Obama 's vote in the fall l , should he be the standard bearer. Speaking for myself only, knowing that my opinion is shared by many others of my age group, Obama's failure to win the presidency will most likely break the Democratic Party apart. Reason: The Obama phenomenon exhibits the presence of major cliques in the party. Obama has too much money and is supported by too many prominent Democratic names , from day one , to have been an accidental development. I too remember the Clinton White House years. They were very good years . The animosity exhibited towards Hillary from some of these leaders in the party is worse than the hatred the Republicans exhibited towars the Clintons. If that is so, as it seems to me , the Democrats r not a party and its demise is surely awaiting it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 05/07/2008
- DoninJoisey See Profile I'm a Fan of DoninJoisey permalink

The republicans have the corner on racists anyway.

I am one of over 1,500,000 Americans who have donated to Obama's campaign. THAT's why Obama has "too much money". I have never donated to a campaign before.

I want change, and so do many - I believe the majority - of Americans. Why would I expect change from either McCain or Clinton who are politics as usual, which is government for sale via lobbyists.

By the way, I'm a 60-year old white male.

Clinton has the highest negative ratings - that's why the republicans wanted to run against her...

McCain speaking about change is laughable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 05/07/2008
- lunadove See Profile I'm a Fan of lunadove permalink

The same argument can be flipped around for Clinton, she needs the black vote, as Bill did. SHe has her clique as well, you can't have one clique without having a different clique. 'Tis the nature of the clique.
You speak as if the Black vote is secondary, and if Obama didn't get any white votes, he wouldn't have gotten so far.
Obama has too much money because he has support, unlike Hillary, who had none. Her campaign is in debt, and she would need to possibly give hr campaign another loan to keep going.
I have no animosity towards Clinton. Just her hawkish ways and other speicific choices she made. She did herself in. Obama wasn't doing well. All she had to do was stay out of her own way, and she wasn't able to.
There is a big world out there, and your clique isn't a relfectionof other whites in the country, certainly not my corner of the world. I work for die-hard republicans who acutally like Obama, as well as other Dems, middle-working class, who once supported Hill, adn have since turned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 05/07/2008
- generaldelivery See Profile I'm a Fan of generaldelivery permalink

It's official: The hate-Hillary crowd has just destroyed the Democratic Party.
I can just hear their wailing and gnashing of teeth on Nov. 7.
They will probably find a way to blame Hillary for Obama's loss.
Did you think the Jeremiah Wright scandal was bad? Just wait.
The republicans will come up with something like that every week.
How could you people be so foolisn?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 05/07/2008
- alm123 See Profile I'm a Fan of alm123 permalink

The media will turn on Obama as well...........just wait.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 05/07/2008
- DoninJoisey See Profile I'm a Fan of DoninJoisey permalink

As you sow, so shall you reap. Nobody made her stoop so low in the campaign. Nobody made her lie or pander. She earned her negative ratings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 05/07/2008
- ThinkingAhead See Profile I'm a Fan of ThinkingAhead permalink

What I want to know is, who's bright idea was it to move the primaries ahead in those states in the first place? They knew long in advance (Dec 1) that their votes wouldn't count, yet they carried them out anyway. If these "disenfranchised" voters want to be upset with anyone, they should be upset with the idiots in their respective states who broke party rules.

I agree that we don't want to hurt democratic voter turnout in key battleground states for the general election, but any attempt to count these votes massively disrupts the legitimacy and fairness of this process. Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan. Hillary supporters, ask yourself, do you really think that's fair?

If Hillary pushes this option, it's going to further fracture the party and will no doubt portray her as a sore loser.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 05/07/2008
- OhReallySheSaid See Profile I'm a Fan of OhReallySheSaid permalink

Howard Dean should be fired for the mess he created.

The Democratic Congressional Committee in Washington, DC approved unnaminously to move the primaries. By the way, according to DNC rules, Iowa, South Carolina, and New Hampshire are in violation of the same rule that Florida and Michigan is, and should have their delegations stripped according to DNC rules:

This mess started because Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina broke the rules that everyone agreed to by having their elections PRIOR to the agreed early date.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 AM on 05/08/2008
- F33bs See Profile I'm a Fan of F33bs permalink

The Cold War was such a heap of fun, we should start another! Yay!

Nukes for everyone!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 05/07/2008
- Tropiholic See Profile I'm a Fan of Tropiholic permalink

Maybe she blew herself up by accident?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 05/07/2008
- hugs4u See Profile I'm a Fan of hugs4u permalink

Her plane just lost it fuel supply so she cant even get the nuke off the ground.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 05/07/2008
- NotWaldo See Profile I'm a Fan of NotWaldo permalink

The so-called "nuclear option" is just a dishonnest ploy to take away the nomination from the candidate who played by the rules and got more votes. Hillary Clinton is a loose cannon on the deck of the Democratic Party. She's so full of herself that she's willing to take down the whole ship with her. I used to respect her but now I really think the woman is a DISGRACE and an insult to our intelligence !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 05/07/2008
- DoninJoisey See Profile I'm a Fan of DoninJoisey permalink

Funny you mention intelligence. Poll after poll shows Clinton support is highest among those with the least education. I guess her rule-changing, creative arithmetic, and memory-altering statements aren't challenged by them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 05/07/2008
- TruthSpeaker See Profile I'm a Fan of TruthSpeaker permalink

It has been obvious to me, since the goal posts of delusion started being moved by Clinton, that she is in fact a Republican in drag. She is the bought and paid for puppet that the "big boys" have been grooming to be their candidate on the Democratic side since the days when she started her polical life as a Republican. Hillary was a Goldwater Girl and President of the Wellsley Rebuplicans. She and Bill have been doing their bidding ever since (NAFTA being the most memorable evidence of this). The powers that be have two horses in this race - Clinton and McCain. Since Clinton can't win, she will do whatever it takes to take down the real Democrat for the benefit of her team mate, John McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 05/07/2008
- Montanagramma See Profile I'm a Fan of Montanagramma permalink

I totally agree. Hillary is a republican, by deed. She is too tight with the corporations and big business. It cracks me up that she plays up her "Great Understanding" of the working class. She has never been working class. When she calls Barack an elite, I just shake my head in disbelief. There has been a lot said that the undereducated are backing her. Could it be that they are the only ones she can fool? We know how hard and how many hours people have to work to make a living. They just might not have any left over time to really study things out, and they don't know how many lies and phoney stories she tells them. Hillary is a just a con - saying whatever is necessary to get herself and Billy Boy back in the white house, so they can do more damage to the middle class in favor of her Big Business buddies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 05/07/2008
- littlemanhuff See Profile I'm a Fan of littlemanhuff permalink

Is this intentional on the part of the Huffington Post's staff, or is it just the way these thing fall, that the graphic for this story of Hillary using the "NUCLEAR" option finds its way next to the story of "New Photos Reveal Horror Of Hiroshima (GRAPHIC IMAGES)" ?

I find it insensitive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 05/07/2008
- deniz1 See Profile I'm a Fan of deniz1 permalink

Clinton 08' = Bush 00"

If are willing to excuse Hillary for being a fighter, we should be willing to excuse Bush for the same "fighter" tactics. I can't tell the difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 05/07/2008
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